I have decided to post an e-mail I received anonymously. This is what we have received at the hands of other Christians for daring to disagree with certain ideas being taught. Note that never are examples given, or any gentle instruction offered. Instead our character, integrity, and intelligence is questioned. How sad for us all.
Well, well, well…….how very up-to-date you portray yourselves…how free, how hip, how enlightened. How delusional!
It seems that you have illegally used photos of Lydia Sherman’s blog, or am I delusional, hallucinating? That puts YOU in a precarious position, does it not?
It also seems you know not your accurate American history, but only the northern, fractured, federal indoctrination version of the bulk of it. My, my…so easily misled too.Too bad….you are so very limited in your scope of ever being capable of deliberating wisely on the subject. How very pathetic.
It seems too that you simply have no moral mechanism with which to appreciate the Godly advice,admonitions, and inspirations given those of us “who have ears to hear and eyes to see”, by Mrs. Sherman. Understandable, however, as a sickly condition such as you and yours who have who obviously long-ago abandoned the leading of the Holy Spirit for the leading of your own pride and self-aggrandizement.
You all have been well-indoctrinated by the forces of evil and your futures are set. God have the “amazing grace” to free you all from your strong delusions.
Hoping for your speedy recovery,
Scarlett…a white, black-loving, feminine, artistic, piano-playing, sewing, swimming, book-reading, liberty-loving Jeffersonian, Virginian Southern descendant with plantation ownership who wanted to free the slaves whom we treated as FAMILY, grandmother-of-four. Now, put that in your pipe and smoke it!
The e-mail came from “Scalett O’Hara”.
Now, if anyone knows where we’ve stolen something from Lydia Sherman, please bring it to my attention. I think we’ve quoted her (always with credit given, and links when possible), but I don’t think we have any photos. As for the History issue, I reject the e-mailer totally. My father is a retired American History teacher, and my childhood vacations were often spent at sites that helped me learn about our History.
Mostly, though, what disappoints me is the tone of the thing. No one can hope for real discourse, or to truly teach us anything with an e-mail like that. It was a cowardly, angry thing, sent without benefit of real identity. If that’s supposed to be my example of a real Christian “lady”, I think I’ll pass. I may not always be right, and I may not always be as nice as I should be. But at least I’ll have the courage to err as myself.
A grandmother of four should be embarrassed by that email, not proud of it.
That was my impression, Jennifer. She did sent me a second e-mail consisting of one incomplete sentence. I have no idea what it meant. *shrug* Sadly, these kinds of attacks have come from both sides of the Christian feminist argument. I don’t think they have any place in faithful discourse.
By the way, am I the only person who finds her description of herself as “black loving” and the idea that her family treated “like family” human beings whom her family kept as property, offensive? I don’t care how one treats a slave, it doesn’t excuse the despicable practice. And I don’t love “black” people. I love people.
I wonder if “Scarlett” knows her slave-owning relatives could have freed the human beings they owned but treated like “family” had they wanted to. Congratulations, Miss Scarlett. You love black people. At least you’ve evolved that much.
Wow – “Scarlett” sure has a lot of time on her hands. That was a lengthy email!
And it simply bums me out that some folks can carry such hostility.
Oh, and I am so with you. The ‘black loving’ slave-condoning family bit leaves me feeling sick. What a shame.
You’re not kidding when you said these kind of attacks have come from both sides against you. This is about as pathetic as what happened on my yahoo e-mail group against you, which was carried over from a blog by an individual.
Does that make you a moderate?
I’m convinced that what is needed is a good dose of the other moderator’s (the moderator on my group) humor right when you get something like this. I’d say something funny, but unfortunately nothing is coming to mind. I get kind of sick when I see this kind of thing happen online and in private.
Lynn from PA, we are always willing to engage folks who have legitimate criticisms about this website. The conversation was “fruitless” because you provided no evidence to support your accusations of theft and copyright violations from Lydia Sherman’s blog. We WANT people to give proof so that we can make the changes and necessary apologies. I won’t apologize for bringing attention to the numerous historical inaccuracies Mrs. Sherman has made on her blog nor the offensive statements she has made about Hurricane Katrina victims and the elderly in supermarkets. She put those statements out there for the public to see. Why shouldn’t she be held accountable for them?
Blessings to you,
Cally
I had a response written out, but I chucked it. I’m just going to say that I am disgusted by anyone’s attempt to sugarcoat the evil practice of slavery. Some people mourned those who enslaved them? Some fought alongside those who owned them (probably unaware that they had a choice, or given none)? Some considered it a blessing because they wouldn’t have been Christian otherwise? (Another idea I reject since there were such things as missionaries, even then)
People were kidnapped, placed like sardines on slave ships and brought under unimaginable conditions to a new country where they were sold like cattle to the highest bidder and forced to work themselves to death in their service. They couldn’t marry, they had no rights to their own children, and they could be raped and abused at the hands of the one who owned them. This evil practice in our nation’s history denied the very personhood of God’s children, and I will not allow it to be defended on this blog, ever. I’m certain not every slave owner was evil, or committed abuses against their slaves. But that they owned slaves at all was a crime. Something even the slave owning founding fathers knew, and struggled with.
I’m deleting Lynn from PA’s comment, and her reference to the Northern Army as “invading hoards of the Marxist Federal Army of dictator Abraham Lincoln.” It amazes me that there are still people who think this way.
OK, my history knowledge is pathetic. My question is this. Why is it called “The War of Northern Aggression” by those who are still fighting this conflict in their minds, since the Confederate States left the Union, and they fired the first shots and routed the Union from Ft. Sumpter?
Was looking for the views of these women on slavery and found this:
http://www.ladiesagainstfeminism.com/ladylydia/manners902.htm
If she sends a note in her announcement that there is to be no immodest or outlandish styles worn to the ceremony, this is what it means: no mini-skirts, no slits in skirts, no tight tops with a view of the belly, no sandals, no sleeveless garments, no pants, no shorts, no spikey hair, no body piercing ( nose rings are historically a sign of slavery. Whose slaves are we, anyway?)
That’s by Lydia Sherman as it appears in the LAF site. I guess she thinks slavery is a such a bad thing, that for someone to dress in a way that reminds her of it would be considered immodest and not appropriate at a wedding.
http://visionarydaughters.com/2008/05/hannah-more-on-the-education-of-women
Here is a link to a paragraph about an educated woman who was an abolitionist who helped Wilberforce. The abolitionist aspect of it is only mentioned in passing, but it is mentioned favorably, as is the fact that these women led meetings that men attended.
Interesting. I know their slant is for women to get educated at home or else they are sinning. I wonder if they say anything about the South and its culture. I can only find things Doug Phillips has said.
I think this comment from Barbara Curtis is brilliant, for a couple reasons:
http://mommylife.net/archives/2008/08/memo_to_jennie.html#
Like many people who become involved in a legalistic subculture – or even a government system like socialism – she is one of the ones at the top who enjoy freedoms they would deny to others. Unfortunately, the world is full of followers and some leaders take advantage of that. In doing so they become hypocrites.
Barbara is speaking of Jennie Chancey, who uses her college education and work experience all the time in her writing and speaking against other women going to college and working jobs outside of the home.
But the hypocrisy goes both ways, if you can think of examples of people who would decry these kinds of teachings because they limit freedom, yet at the same time endorse governments that are all about control and more and more confiscatory taxation for social programs. This is also an encroachment on individual liberty.
Barbara is very right, I believe, in her assessment of Socialism and those in the Patriarchal movement who would seek to limit freedoms of others, when the leaders of both do not live under the same limitations they impose on others.
Oh, I forgot I had another point in my last comment. I read somewhere else that Cally said the theonomists called her a Marxist, on account of their views of Lincoln. They don’t appear to understand how dictatorial the system they defend, all the claims of how benevolent they were to the slaves, etc., is as controlling as Marxism, and that Lincoln freed the slaves.
So someone who points out how horribly enslaving and restricting the Old South was to the slaves is not to be compared to a Marxist. That’s ridiculous.
Rather, the Marxists and the Socialists are to be compared to the Theonomists who speak this way about slavery – that they viewed their property as “family,” even though they retained total control over their lives.
I am so sorry that you had to read such vitriol. I am sending lots of love, admiration, and respect to the ladies who run this blog. (((Cally))) (((Anne))) (((everyone else who read it)))
“Virginian Southern descendant with plantation ownership who wanted to free the slaves whom we treated as FAMILY…”
I realize that she is a grandmother but how old is she?
Scarlet wrote:
“How delusional!
My, my…so easily misled too.
you are so very limited in your scope
How very pathetic.
…you simply have no moral mechanism
…a sickly condition such as you and yours
You all have been well-indoctrinated by the forces of evil”
Such negativity! Scarlet O’Hara, like her counterpart, is of all women most miserable.
I loved your blog the first time I read it!
God bless you!
Lynn, I’m not publishing your comments. I find your sources to be highly biased and inaccurate. War is always tough, and the reasons are usually complex. Most of us know that the war was not to end slavery (though it was an excellent outcome) and that it was mostly due to economic disagreements (some of which did have to do with slavery and were far more complex than simply “taxation without representation” which is something the South had in the the form of Senators and Congressmen). And neither side is ever saintly. The same types of stories you hear about Yankee troops, you also hear about Confederate troops. War is brutal, it’s ugly, and it’s painful. No one will argue that. But that Lincoln was only in it for the money is ludicrous. He wouldn’t have gotten it. Tax money doesn’t belong to the President, nor does he get to choose how it’s spent. Congress holds the purse strings in our government. And Hitler got his ideas from many places. To compare the two is ridiculous. So is the assertion that he had genocidal techniques.
Just want to clarify I am NOT the Lynn Anne is referring to.
Maybe she means the picture of the dictionary.
Girls…if you don’t want to post my comments anymore, why are THESE comments of mine still posted here? You have my permission to delete them at any time of your choosing.
Thanks, Scarlett. We didn’t need your permission, but it was nice of you to offer it. Right now your comments aren’t banned, I just haven’t felt the need to post your heavily biased, totally inaccurate History lessons. And I don’t think it’s us that’s in Never-Never land, Mrs. “O’Hara”.
Sounds like your typical Internet Troll Snark to me, trying to denounce you as damned to Hell without actually saying it. Haven’t a clue as to what she’s carrying on about and being so smug, she’s holding it so close to her chest with an unspoken “You SHOULD know”. Sounds way too much like the crazy ladies in my family.